Japan Earthquake | Page 9

  • This is a much better format than FB.
    by JMV 3/26/2011 5:54:04 AM

  • Thanks for opening up this blog. Have been reading Reuters Earthquake life chat since March 12th.
    by bluemoon 3/26/2011 5:55:03 AM

  • @bluemoon yw - I'll keep this one going as long as possible
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 5:55:43 AM

  • I see MEXT update timestamped 14:40 JST. www.bousai.ne.jp
    by Albert Lee in Manila 3/26/2011 5:56:22 AM

  • @Ralph Unger I'm sure many engineers cry when they see what happens to their designs.
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 5:57:10 AM

  • In the military, a threat assessment is not what some country might do, but what they have the capabilities to do. With nuclear power, don't look at what might happen if an accident happens, look at what would happen if an accident occurred.. The stakes are high and engineers can build safe plants, but will businessmen and politicians let them? Sorry for the earlier post, getting tired :-)
    by Ralph Unger 3/26/2011 5:58:12 AM

  • JAIF has a new update www.jaif.or.jp
    by marie rich 3/26/2011 5:58:28 AM

  • you might like this Amianda. I didn't know until all this happened about the controversy surround the Diablo plant. calcoastnews.com
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 5:59:36 AM

  • Hi, all. I've started a draft listing of useful links that we can use to construct a sidebar widget or some such animal here as navigational aid, to help minimize scrolling up and down or searching for links and conserve bandwidth usage. Please contribute constructively. It's here:
    goo.gl
    by Albert Lee in Manila 3/26/2011 6:00:45 AM

  • I write risk assessments for computer networks, so I am famial with the process of risk management.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:00:59 AM

  • Seems like many of us are in the Midwest. I see people posting from Illinois(such as myself), Kentucky, Missouri, etc. We all have nuclear power plants in the area. We all think we're safe, we don't have hurricanes, or quakes or tsunamis here, or do we? Recorded history is extremely short. Look into NLE 2011, it's a FEMA exercise to practice responding to an earthquake at the New Madrid fault line. I didn't even know it existed or that we were vulnerable here, but it appears it does and we are. You can't plan for everything. Unless you can make a nuke plant that can gracefully fail under extreme seismic activity or with long term power loss you can't convince yourself its safe. It's just one thing that I've been thinking about since this incident in Japan. We really need to evaluate risk on different scales and with longer views of history.
    by tippytoe 3/26/2011 6:01:27 AM

  • It all comes down to money essentially.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:02:22 AM

  • Pumping out water from the basement, to where? The sea I guess. The last time the New Madrid fault line moved, it cause the Mississippi to run backwards and it rang church bells in Boston. No one really lived there then though.
    by Ralph Unger 3/26/2011 6:03:52 AM

  • Thanks again for this blog -- I too was an active lurker and sometimes poster on the Reuters site. I'm 3300 miles from Fukushima and fascinated by the situation, very appreciative of this community of fellow seekers.
    by Alaskan 3/26/2011 6:03:53 AM

  • @tippytoe Hi! yes, the New Madrid quake in the late 1800's caused the Mississippi River to run backwards for awhile. That would sure mess up a cooling system or two.
    by marie rich 3/26/2011 6:04:18 AM

  • Hi all, I have set auto approve for anyone that has made a comment. Feel free to invite anyone to this blog and I will auto approve them also. If any issues come up with users e-mail me at gibbgeor@hotmail.com and I will ban.
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 6:05:07 AM

  • @Everyone- HERE you all are!! Been searching and looking and being frustrated! About the new JAIF release: "Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station has been in serious condition since some units lost cooling function. TEPCO is trying to recover components for cooling that should be driven by external AC power. However, working condition in high radiation area is so bad and there is no prospect of accomplishing the work for this recovery. (05:15, March 26)" OMFG. Are they saying (finally) that they are going to cement the damn thing??
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:05:24 AM

  • TY George for all the work on this site.
    by Ralph Unger 3/26/2011 6:06:17 AM

  • Glad you made it Meretisa! Nice to meet all of you.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:06:18 AM

  • @sin thanks. I was previously not very informed about our nuclear power plants previous to the Japan situation either, and to be honest I'm still pretty ignorant. I have learned quite a great deal about nuclear power in general since this started and found out that the topic interests me. I appreciate the article.
    by amianda 3/26/2011 6:06:49 AM

  • @Ralph Unger np - tomorrow I'll look at upgrading to get more features
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 6:07:13 AM

  • @Meritisa Yes, I just read that, too. I also liked that in the notes on the bottom they say rad water likely came from the core. But up in the graph, they list #3 reactor vessel as undamaged.
    by marie rich 3/26/2011 6:07:50 AM

  • Here's a link to NLE 2011 for those in the midwest: www.fema.gov Lots of us seem to think, duh, they built reactors on fault lines, they should have planned for this. Well, many of us have reactors in our backyards and don't know live on fault lines. I post this info just so people who live in these areas have an awareness, so that we can make sure our local politicians and utilities have plans for 'unexpected scenarios'. Anyway, enough of my rambling, that was just one thing I wanted to get out for those who want to hear.
    by tippytoe 3/26/2011 6:07:51 AM

  • @Meretisa Glad you made it
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 6:08:28 AM

  • I hope that is a common sentiment around the world, that the more you know about it, the more you don't want it. The consequences are too grave.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:08:36 AM

  • High level of iodine 131 in seawater near N-plant
    A high level of radioactive iodine has been detected in seawater near Japan's troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. The facility was hit by the March 11th earthquake and tsunami.

    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by JMV 3/26/2011 6:10:22 AM

  • @George You're my hero. thanks a million. @all what a great group of people. Going to sleep, see you later.
    by marie rich 3/26/2011 6:11:11 AM

  • @Anyone- has Dean checked in here at all? Him or Sputnik would be lovely to have on board again. Thank you for the warm welcome.
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:11:12 AM

  • Nuclear power is great until you factor in two externalities: 1) the cradle-grave costs associated with mining, processing, safe handling, and appropriate long term (very) disposal of the fuel; and 2) human error, which cannot be completely eliminated. Even if you could eliminate #2 I believe the total costs of #1 exceed the value of all the power produced. You sure can make a big mess in a hurry . . .
    by Alaskan 3/26/2011 6:12:30 AM

  • Actually the events at Fukushima have not made me consider nuclear power as unviable or more dangerous than i previously thought. I am ok with nuclear energy but I do think that we need to assess the possible safety needs of a given plant and then put in 3 times as many safety protocols/containment structures as we think are necessary. Honestly, as we've heard lately, coal mining is dangerous, and its refining and processing is dirty and even radioactive as well. Most of our major fuel sources at this time have some sort of extreme drawback.
    by amianda 3/26/2011 6:12:45 AM

  • @tippytoe My background's geology and geography. New Madrid fault is a sleepy giant. Last event 100+ years ago caused the Mississippi River to run backwards for days. Formed last Caddo in Texas and felt for hundreds of miles. Things weren't all built up then.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 6:14:14 AM

  • Sorry, Lake Caddo
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 6:14:43 AM

  • Nice to see this.
    by NHK Listener 3/26/2011 6:15:30 AM

  • @George- thank you!! @NHK listener- welcome!
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:16:17 AM

  • Safety team neglects risk. www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Ralph Unger 3/26/2011 6:16:33 AM

  • just to let everyone know - after your first comment is moderated your set to auto-approve
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 6:18:33 AM

  • I OPINION: Its the greed of the companies that own them that make them dangerous, the same as in any industry, especially in tough economic times, there is more of a tendency to cut corners. Government agencies and regulatory bodies show time and time again their capacity for corruption and lax oversight. Its human nature, and we are not responsible enough as a species in my opinion to have anything with such capability for destruction by so few that has the potential to devastate so many.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:19:23 AM

  • @Alaskan Agreed. Problem is not all the costs are figured in properly. Also, they don't take the culminitive effects into account.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 6:19:32 AM

  • @George Are you paying alot for this blog? maybe people would be willing to chip in to help via paypal or something. Thanks for setting this up.
    by amianda 3/26/2011 6:20:49 AM

  • @Meretisa Any more news on the alleged crack in the reactor?
    by NHK Listener 3/26/2011 6:20:50 AM

  • On a lighter note.. Idiots on TV. Nancy Grace VS. Weatherman - Argue Radiation. www.youtube.com
    by Ralph Unger 3/26/2011 6:21:01 AM

  • @amianda this package is only $24 US - I want to upgrade to unlock more features this weekend
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 6:22:01 AM

  • This may have been posted here before- but it is fascinating and answers many questions that people have been asking on the site. www.ustream.tv
    by inCalifornia 3/26/2011 6:22:12 AM

  • hi every one... I'm in here I hope
    by Dean 3/26/2011 6:22:22 AM

  • @Jim Carver, exactly the point. Those who think you can plan for everything based on our last hundred or so years of history are sorely wrong. The New Madrid Fault Line is one scenario that emergency planners need to be aware of. Another one that comes to mind is the Carrington Event of 1859, a massive solar flare that hit the earth and destroyed our budding Telegraph system. Experts seem to agree if that hit the earth today it has the capacity to take out the electrical grid completely and for an extended amount of time. How can any expect to tame a nuclear power plant in such a scenario. I know Japan has records going back many centuries for tsunamis. If anyone had paid attention they would have known an event such as the one that just occurred was possible, and in fact happened around 700 or 800 AD (I forget the year). Anyway, I'm no expert, but I do have a grasp on history. Just make sure that people who are involved in the Nuclear industry as also aware of the possibilities before they convince you nuclear power is safe and they have accounted for everyting.
    by tippytoe 3/26/2011 6:22:30 AM

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