Japan Earthquake | Page 11

  • @Meretisa I really think it might be political. They really have strong ties to business and maybe the tone of this groups comments was a little scary to them. That's not what scares me btw.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 6:51:55 AM

  • @Meretisa Sorry, I was mixed up. The risk to get fatal cancer is 5% / Sv. It's .05% for 100 mSv (.1 Sv). I was thinking about the 100 Msv that everyone has been talking about.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 6:52:09 AM

  • Sinthia- yeah. that is part of the problem too. there are so many factors, no hard facts to cover everyone.
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:52:32 AM

  • @Jim- what scares you??
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:52:43 AM

  • Long term poisoning of land and sea.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 6:53:29 AM

  • @Sinthia Domina Sievert is equal to Grey, except for different types of radiation. For gamma radiation, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. A Sievert measures a "dose" for your body, it's a standard unit of mesaurement that takes into account what element you are exposed to.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 6:53:32 AM

  • @Meretisa, try this link for comparison www.epa.gov dose in rem. 10msv = 1 rem rad.dose equiv. Becca
    by Becca 3/26/2011 6:53:38 AM

  • @Jim- yeah. I worry about that too... I worry also that Japan will die... most all of it. I worry that we are not being told. Mostly I worry that it is out of control and what global outcome will be. I try not to think of this much since it is very troubling. All I know... is that deep in my heart I tremble when I hear the words Japan, Fukushima, etc...and I know that something horrible has/is happening.
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:56:11 AM

  • @Meretisa The Wikipedia link matches the Reuters story. For the Wikipedia table 1-2 Sieverts the fatality is 5% (should be 5% for 1Sv, 10% for 2 Sv). For the Reuters story they are talking about microsieverts so you divide by 1000 to get siverts. So when they are talking about 1000 mSv that is 1 Sv in Wikipedia. 5000 mSv would be 5 Sv, etc.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 6:56:26 AM

  • I'm off to bed - please refer to pinned message so new people don't get discouraged waiting for thier initial post. Thanks all
    by George Gibb 3/26/2011 6:56:38 AM

  • @Jojo I thought that mSv was millisievert and uSv was microsievert?? so confusing.
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:57:09 AM

  • @George Gibb Night. Sleep well. Thank you so much. Can you make more than one person moderators so we can get new people on easier?
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:57:41 AM

  • but when the say there was x amount millisieverts of iodine 131, unless we know who receives the dose and what part of their body the received it to...what do we really know? Just seems vague to me with unknown factors. en.wikipedia.org
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:58:10 AM

  • @Meretisa Yes, that's right. 1000 microSv (uSv) = 1 milliSv (mSv). 1000 mSv = 1 Sv. So if you see mSv divide by 1000 to get Sv. If you see microSv divide by 1,000,000 to get Sv.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 6:58:24 AM

  • not the system, just how its being reported.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 6:59:12 AM

  • @Sinthia Domina You're right, men, women, and children all have different reactions to a "Sv". But 1 Sv of Iodine = 1 Sv of Cesium = 1 Sv of Plutonium, even though they all have different radiation levels.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 6:59:27 AM

  • SIGH. I'm tired. is 2am and I need sleep. LOL. So very glad to see you all again and to discuss this all again. Thank you all... I feel like we have become friends and I look forward to reading and discussig this with you all again soon. Be well, dear friends.
    by Meretisa 3/26/2011 6:59:31 AM

  • 1 in 76 infant girls, 1 in 138 infant boys, will develop fatal cancer from radiation in areas outside 30km libradex.com This is a very disturbing link that shows that the Japanese gov'.t has already admitted INFANTS have received > 100 mSv of radiation. For any infant boys, this would mean they have a 1 in 138 chance of getting fatal cancer from this at some point in their life, and for infant boys a 1 in 76 chance.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:01:11 AM

  • I think the possible crack that the anonymous witness stated is probably true. A Japanese scientist, also off the record, said that the water could not get that "hot" (radioactive), unless it was in contact with the core.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 7:01:17 AM

  • I understand that jojo, but do they not also have different factors depending upon the type such as gamma, or bets? Often they do not mention any of that the just say x millisievert of radiation.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:02:16 AM

  • The Sievert is supposed to be a standard of how harmful the radiation is, regardless of the radiation. We have a 5% chance of getting fatal cancer for each Sv, regardless of the element, or if we breathe it, drink it, etc. 1 Sv = 5% chance.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:02:49 AM

  • I see...I guess I was making it more complicated.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:03:42 AM

  • @Sinthia Domina Yes, that's true. If it's alpha radiation, then it's 20 Greys = 1 Sv. But for all others, 1 Gy = 1 Sv. The trick is when they say becquerels (Bq). There are formulas to translate Bq to Sv, but you have to know which element, if it's in the air/water/food/soil, and how long you're exposed to calculate the Sv.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:04:17 AM

  • @you That should be "infant girls a 1 in 76 chance". Very sad, and the radiation is continuing.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:05:06 AM

  • We need to get those links together of the charts and things. Guess that's the big thing tomorrow.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 7:05:24 AM

  • Thanks Jojo. I think this is all based on our global economy, this cover-up. If Japans economy collapses, which if the truth comes out it will, the US might also....
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:07:00 AM

  • @Sinthia Domina That must be it, because you can see an almost total media blackout on one of the largest disasters in history. It's not just the workers that will get fatal cancer, areas of Japan will be uninhabitable for over a century because of Cesium. Lots of people will get cancer, babies will be born with birth defects. Very tragic situation, and the Japanese gov't. is actively hiding the truth.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:09:00 AM

  • Iodine is the short-term problem. But that has a half-life of 8 days. Cesium is the big problem, because it has a half-life of 30 years.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:11:07 AM

  • You can call me Sin...I agree...the are making conspiracy theorists out of us all. Plus that unprecedented UN meeting about the crisis they had today...not a word about it.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:11:36 AM

  • A world Government crisis...hell maybe they planned it
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:12:51 AM

  • I guess we shall see how it plays out...but I,m off to bed. Thanks, and have a good nite everyone.
    by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:14:29 AM

  • @Sin You can see the (lack) of coverage on every news outlet. "not a big deal", "we get plenty of background radiation", etc. I just saw the stats from the Japanese ministry of science, measurements 30km from the plan show HUGE radiation levels (1,100,000 Bq /kg of Iodine!).
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:15:00 AM

  • Now we see what this blog is like with no moderation.....*sigh*
    by borrrden 3/26/2011 7:15:39 AM

  • @Sin That's when you need to worry, when they say nothing.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:15:42 AM

  • @borrrden All the riff-raff come out, eh? ;)
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:16:47 AM

  • We probably haven't been found yet. Might call this the Golden Age.
    by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 7:18:53 AM

  • Edano on NHK now
    by ids 3/26/2011 7:19:33 AM

  • just announcing a new assistant to PM
    by ids 3/26/2011 7:19:47 AM

  • Check out the data yourself. Go here www.mext.go.jp , click on today's data, go to p.3. See the Bq /kg for leaf vegetable for Iitate Village, 40 km NW of the plant, at : 1,110,000 Bq/kg for Iodine. 1,500,000 Bq/kg for cesium. Read the rest of the numbers and then tell me that there is no current radiation problem.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:20:06 AM

  • Sorry hes also overseeing the situation at the NPP
    by ids 3/26/2011 7:20:24 AM

  • So it appears gov is "taking control" of situation at NPP
    by ids 3/26/2011 7:21:11 AM

  • Here's the link english.kyodonews.jp showing infants have been exposed to 100 mSv "over 30 km" from Fukushima. And that was 100 mSv on Wed.
    by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:21:37 AM

  • @Jojo "may have, according to a computer simulation, in the event that they spent an entire day outdoors." Don't reword things.
    by borrrden 3/26/2011 7:22:55 AM

  • Edano again asking TEPCO to deliver information more effectivly
    by ids 3/26/2011 7:24:28 AM

  • effectively*
    by ids 3/26/2011 7:24:38 AM

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